Here’s a clean thread to discuss the Debate. Have at it.
First a little history on the Animas River. Wikipedia:
Animas River is a 126-mile-long (203 km) river in the western United States, a tributary of the San Juan River, part of the Colorado River System.
The river’s free-flowing status ended when the Animas-La Plata Water Project was completed in 2015. The project pumps water over a low pass to fill a reservoir, Lake Nighthorse, in Ridges Basin to satisfy Southern Ute tribal water rights claims associated with the Colorado Ute Settlement Act amendments of 2000.
It is a tributary which means it flows into other rivers, eventually into the Colorado River which Wiki describes as: The Colorado River is one of the principal rivers of the Southwestern United States and northern Mexico (the other being the Rio Grande). The 1,450-mile (2,330 km) Colorado River drains an expansive, arid watershed that encompasses parts of seven U.S. and two Mexican states.
Here’s how the Animas River became poisoned and how far reaching the effects are…..
From the Denver Post, Aug. 9, 2015:
Three million gallons of water containing mining waste has poured into the Animas River since Wednesday, and it is still unclear what the environmental and health impact of the spill, caused by the Environmental Protection Agency, will be.
Water collected at sampling stations along Cement Creek and the upper Animas found higher-than-normal levels of arsenic and other heavy metals, Deborah McKean, an EPA toxicologist, said in a Sunday conference call with the media.
But the levels are dropping as the plume drifts farther down the river and is diluted. “Those concentrations increase for a few hours and then decrease again by the next sampling period,” she said. “Those numbers are high and they are scary because they seem so high. However, risk associated with exposure to a chemical is a matter of how much of the chemical you are exposed to.”
It remains unclear if the spill poses health risks to humans and aquatic life.
On Sunday, La Plata County and Durango both declared a state of emergency as a result of the spill, which originated at a mine near Silverton.
“This action has been taken due to the serious nature of the incident and to convey the grave concerns that local elected officials have to ensure that all appropriate levels of state and federal resources are brought to bear to assist our community not only in actively managing this tragic incident but also to recover from it,” La Plata County Manager Joe Kerby said in a release.
On Sunday, the EPA posted reports on its website including sample data taken from the river at different locations that detail how much metal is in the water. Tom Dea, vice president for TZA Water Engineers in Lakewood, reviewed those reports for The Denver Post. [more at link]
The effects of this toxic spill: From CNN:
‘A major, major problem’
“This is a major, major problem,” said Jonathan Freedman, a toxicologist at the University of Louisville, who until recently worked as an investigator at the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, a part of the National Institutes of Health.
Typically it takes years or even decades for health problems from metals to develop.
Spokespersons for the EPA did not respond to emails Monday regarding the levels.
The mayor of Durango, Colorado, said experts from the agency were “noncommittal” about the health effects of the contamination during a community meeting Sunday night.
“There was no good discussion of what these levels mean, and that’s what’s frustrating. I’m a fairly smart guy, and I walked away without having answers,” said Dean Brookie. “It wasn’t a great confidence builder.”
According to the EPA, Wednesday’s spill caused a spike in these metal concentrations, but levels “began to return to pre-event conditions” by Thursday.
However, according to the EPA’s own data, there were still very high levels of metals on Thursday. A lead sample was more than 300 times higher than the EPA acceptable level, for example, and an arsenic sample tested 26 times the acceptable level.
EPA spokespersons did not respond to emails Monday asking how many residents rely on the Animas River for their drinking water and how many farms use the water for irrigation.
Cadmium is a particular concern for crops, Costa said, as it’s readily absorbed.[more]
“Of all the toxic metals, it goes into plants like crazy,” he said.
We must contact our Congress people, both State and Federal, to strengthen the EPA and the laws to not allow dumping poisons into our rivers, streams, farm land and there needs to be more control over the Corporations that use these poisons. We are killing ourselves and our Planet!
Here’s something to ponder and maybe print out to put a big RED X in each box. Clown Car is growing.
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BREAKING: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker just announced that he’s running for president. Spread the word on his record.
Use this thread til I get another post up.
First we’ll break down the acronyms and explain what these Trade Agreements are all about. The first two, TAA and TPP are causing a lot of contention in Congress right now along with the term “Fast Track”. Hope this post will help you understand what is going on in Congress right now and why it is so important.
TAA: Trade Adjustment Assistance
Trade Adjustment Assistance (TAA) is a federal program of the United States government to act as a way to reduce the damaging impact of imports felt by certain sectors of the U.S. economy. The current structure features four components of Trade Adjustment Assistance: for Workers, Firms, Farmers, and Communities. Each Cabinet level Department was tasked with a different sector of the overall Trade Adjustment Assistance program. The program for workers is the largest, and administered by the U.S. Department of Labor. The program for Farmers is administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and the Firms and Communities programs are administered by the U.S. Department of Commerce.
Trade Adjustment Assistance consists of four programs authorized under the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 and defined further under the Trade Act of 1974 (19 U.S.C. § 2341 et seq) (Trade Act). The original idea for a trade compensation program goes back to 1939. Later, it was proposed by President John F. Kennedy as part of the total package to open up free trade. President Kennedy said: “When considerations of national policy make it desirable to avoid higher tariffs, those injured by that competition should not be required to bear the full brunt of the impact. Rather, the burden of economic adjustment should be borne in part by the Federal Government.” More at link
TPP: Trans-Pacific Partnership
The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a proposed regional regulatory and investment treaty. As of 2014, twelve countries throughout the Asia Pacific region have participated in negotiations on the TPP: Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, the United States, and Vietnam.
The proposed agreement began in 2005 as the Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Partnership Agreement (TPSEP or P4). Participating countries set the goal of wrapping up negotiations in 2012, but contentious issues such as agriculture, intellectual property, and services and investments have caused negotiations to continue into the present, with the last round meeting in Ottawa from 3–12 July 2014. Implementation of the TPP is one of the primary goals of the trade agenda of the Obama administration in the United States of America.
On 12 November 2011, the nine Trans-Pacific Partnership countries announced that the TPP intended to “enhance trade and investment among the TPP partner countries, to promote innovation, economic growth and development, and to support the creation and retention of jobs.” Although the text of the treaty has not been made public, Wikileaks has published several leaked documents since 2013. A number of global health professionals, internet freedom activists, environmentalists, organised labour, advocacy groups, and elected officials have criticised and protested against the treaty, in large part because of the secrecy of negotiations, the agreement’s expansive scope, and controversial clauses in drafts leaked to the public. More at link.
TTIP: Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) is a proposed free trade agreement between the European Union and the United States. Proponents say the agreement would result in multilateral economic growth, while critics say it would increase corporate power and make it more difficult for governments to regulate markets for public benefit. The American government considers the TTIP a companion agreement to the Trans-Pacific Partnership. After a proposed draft was leaked in March 2014, the European Commission launched a public consultation on a limited set of clauses and in January 2015 published parts of an overview.
An agreement is not expected to be finalized before 2016. More at link
FAST TRACK TRADE AGREEMENT:
The fast track negotiating authority for trade agreements is the authority of the President of the United States to negotiate international agreements that Congress can approve or disapprove but cannot amend or filibuster. Also called trade promotion authority (TPA) since 2002, fast track negotiating authority is a temporary and controversial power granted to the President by Congress. The authority was in effect from 1975 to 1994, pursuant to the Trade Act of 1974, and from 2002 to 2007 by the Trade Act of 2002. Although it expired for new agreements on July 1, 2007, it continued to apply to agreements already under negotiation until they were eventually passed into law in 2011. In 2012, the Obama administration began seeking renewal of the authority. More at link
So far Congress has voted not to pass the TAA and TPP but the TPP is going to be reintroduced combined with “Fast Track”. Here’s more info on that from “Storm Clouds Gathering”
There is much wrong with the TPP and other Trade Agreements that will hurt the U.S. and it’s workers that we will discuss here. And Fast Tracking this, without debate and discussion, is a very bad idea.
A true open thread. A place to post til I can work on a new topper.
Sen. Bernie Sanders announced he was running for President. Here’s Jon Stewart’s take on it…
Jon Stewart wryly welcomes Bernie Sanders to the 2016 presidential race
Up until Thursday, the race for the Democratic nomination was largely a “coronation” of Hillary Clinton, Jon Stewart said on Thursday’s Daily Show. Then, up stepped Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), “two-term senator, six-term congressman, full-term curmudgeon.” How, exactly, is a man with almost zero name recognition going to “battle the incredibly powerful Clinton machine?” Stewart asked, showing a clip from Sanders’, um, terse campaign announcement. “With charm!” So far, the message is “not so much ‘Yes We Can,’ and more like “Let’s Get This Over With, I’m a Busy Men’,” Stewart said.
Here’s the link to the video. It’s an auto on so Watch it here: www.http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/sx65zl/hillary-s-democratic-opponent—dirty-donating
It’s more about Hillary and her problems with the Clinton Charity.
Many people are happy Sen. Sanders is running. He’s genuine and really wants to work for the people.
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within-Cicero
From Michael Gerson at the Washington Post: The true scandal of the GOP senators’ letter to Iran
The true scandal of the Tom Cotton letter to Iranian leaders is the manner in which the Republican Senate apparently conducts its affairs.
The document was crafted by a senator with two months of experience under his belt. It was signed by some members rushing off the Senate floor to catch airplanes, often with little close analysis. Many of the 47 signatories reasoned that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s endorsement was vetting enough. There was no caucus-wide debate about strategy; no consultation with Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), who has studiously followed the nuclear talks (and who refused to sign).
This was a foreign policy maneuver, in the middle of a high-stakes negotiation, with all the gravity and deliberation of a blog posting. In timing, tone and substance, it raises questions about the Republican majority’s capacity to govern. [more]
Iran is something to be dealt with but we do need to try negotiations first. The negotiations could fail but the only way to know how we proceed in the future is to get the feel of what the Iranians want. Sanctions have worked in the past but will they cause the Iranians to intensify their work to make a nuclear weapon? And it doesn’t help when the other “party” in our government is hurting the negotiations by signing on to a “Letter” written by a rookie Senator that has no Foreign Policy experience.
There is also the fact of Dark Money seemingly buying our government due in large part to The SCOTUS very bad ruling in “Citizens United”. It opened up Pandora’s Box of Money to PACs and Candidates who are believers in the agenda of the Rich and Big Corps against the rest of the people of not only the U.S. but the world. Call it what you will. Oligarchy, Plutocracy, Fascism. George Washington had it right.[snip]
These are far from the pinnacle days of America’s political system. Could the days only get darker? Yes.
There are many participants in the search for the bottom of Washington’s partisanship, dysfunction and utter chaos. But maybe there is no bottom. With gerrymandered districts and the increased role of big-money donors, perhaps the system — and especially Congress — is in the opening decade of a half-century of its current condition.
The last few weeks on Capitol Hill have been enough to turn optimists into realists and realists into cynics. That last club might soon run out of membership cards.
The House’s meltdown over funding the Department of Homeland Security set off fighting within and between the political parties. That’s nothing new.
It was a seeming willingness among conservative House Republicans to stop funding the agency tasked with patrolling America’s borders and safeguarding its soil that was new. [more and snip to end]
In his September 1796 farewell address, George Washington warned his fellow citizens to “guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.” One has to wonder if he might conclude the political system now almost exclusively rewards pretending. After all, ideological impostures reward pandering packaged as patriotism by ensuring smooth reelection primaries — and by writing big checks.
It’s time to really make a stand and work together to change things for the better. People with money, power and an Agenda are working against us.